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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But is it possible that Paul&#039;s argument in favor of a return to &quot;sound money&quot; refers to the problem of inflation, which causes money to lose value over time? What does Paul mean by &quot;sound money&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But is it possible that Paul&#8217;s argument in favor of a return to &#8220;sound money&#8221; refers to the problem of inflation, which causes money to lose value over time? What does Paul mean by &#8220;sound money&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what Paul was saying.  I believe he&#039;s an advocate of a return to a gold standard and thinks all our economic problems originate from our lack of &quot;sound money.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I should say that there&#039;s plenty about which I agree with people who call themselves libertarians.  The Cato institute, which Moore is a part of, was a long-standing principled opponent of the Iraq war, unlike other self-described libertarians.  I don&#039;t know what Moore&#039;s personal view was on this matter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what Paul was saying.  I believe he&#8217;s an advocate of a return to a gold standard and thinks all our economic problems originate from our lack of &#8220;sound money.&#8221;</p>
<p>I should say that there&#8217;s plenty about which I agree with people who call themselves libertarians.  The Cato institute, which Moore is a part of, was a long-standing principled opponent of the Iraq war, unlike other self-described libertarians.  I don&#8217;t know what Moore&#8217;s personal view was on this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.historyishappeningnow.com/2009/01/10/atlas-still/comment-page-1/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder if a distinction can be drawn between the sorts of libertatians you refer to -- the so-called libertarians who love government control to protect wealthy interests but hate government control to protect the interests of people who must work for a living -- and other libertarians, such as Ron Paul. Paul made a big deal out of monetary policy during his campaign last year -- and I admit I never took the time to figure out what the point was of all his talk about monetary policy. But it occurs to me that part of his point could have been that today&#039;s monetary policy creates a situation where constant inflation sucks up the wealth of anyone who chooses to merely SAVE his/her money, rather than investing it in stocks, bonds, or other money-making ventures controlled by wealthy interests. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we had an economy where we could put our money under our mattresses and be reasonably certain that the money would still be worth something later on, that would encourage saving, it seems to me that this would make us all less vulnerable to the crazy stuff that happens on Wall Street. I agree with Lee that intellectually honest, consistent libertarians are still wrong -- but they may deserve far more respect and consideration than these so-called libertarians who try to co-opt libertarianism to advance a hypocritical agenda.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if a distinction can be drawn between the sorts of libertatians you refer to &#8212; the so-called libertarians who love government control to protect wealthy interests but hate government control to protect the interests of people who must work for a living &#8212; and other libertarians, such as Ron Paul. Paul made a big deal out of monetary policy during his campaign last year &#8212; and I admit I never took the time to figure out what the point was of all his talk about monetary policy. But it occurs to me that part of his point could have been that today&#8217;s monetary policy creates a situation where constant inflation sucks up the wealth of anyone who chooses to merely SAVE his/her money, rather than investing it in stocks, bonds, or other money-making ventures controlled by wealthy interests. </p>
<p>If we had an economy where we could put our money under our mattresses and be reasonably certain that the money would still be worth something later on, that would encourage saving, it seems to me that this would make us all less vulnerable to the crazy stuff that happens on Wall Street. I agree with Lee that intellectually honest, consistent libertarians are still wrong &#8212; but they may deserve far more respect and consideration than these so-called libertarians who try to co-opt libertarianism to advance a hypocritical agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually lots of so-called libertarians &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;love&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; government regulation when it involved enforcing patents and copyrights or when it involves chartering publicly-legitimated limited liability corporations (free markets don&#039;t have corporations).  They&#039;re super-enthusiastic about free trade agreements when it drives down the wages of semi-skilled labor, but are uninterested in &quot;free trade&quot; for doctors, lawyers, and professors, which would drive down the wages of doctors, lawyers, and professors, making medical care, law services, and higher education cheaper for everyone else.  That&#039;s one of Dean Baker&#039;s most interesting points.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These lovers of the market don&#039;t trust the market to its own devices, in cases where corporations would be in a weak position without government help.  There are some honest, consistent libertarians out there -- who are, I think still wrong in their beliefs -- but what passes for modern libertarianism in America often seems like little more than pro-corporate (which by definition means pro Big Government) ideology with lots of talk of freedom but lots of action that ensures massive government involvement on behalf of the powerful at the expense of the less powerful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually lots of so-called libertarians <em><strong>love</strong></em> government regulation when it involved enforcing patents and copyrights or when it involves chartering publicly-legitimated limited liability corporations (free markets don&#8217;t have corporations).  They&#8217;re super-enthusiastic about free trade agreements when it drives down the wages of semi-skilled labor, but are uninterested in &#8220;free trade&#8221; for doctors, lawyers, and professors, which would drive down the wages of doctors, lawyers, and professors, making medical care, law services, and higher education cheaper for everyone else.  That&#8217;s one of Dean Baker&#8217;s most interesting points.</p>
<p>These lovers of the market don&#8217;t trust the market to its own devices, in cases where corporations would be in a weak position without government help.  There are some honest, consistent libertarians out there &#8212; who are, I think still wrong in their beliefs &#8212; but what passes for modern libertarianism in America often seems like little more than pro-corporate (which by definition means pro Big Government) ideology with lots of talk of freedom but lots of action that ensures massive government involvement on behalf of the powerful at the expense of the less powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Libertarians would eliminate Social Security and Medicare, and that would result in millions of our elderly wandering the streets, homeless, diseased, on the verge of collapse, begging for a few dollars to survive another day. The way Libertarians see it, it isn&#039;t the government&#039;s job to provide food, shelter and medical care for these people -- it&#039;s their responsibility to provide for their own retirement by saving their money. Of course, libertarians also hate government regulation -- which means in a libertarian world people couldn&#039;t save their money by investing in an unreliable, unregulated stock market or unreliable banks; instead, people who have to save for their retirement by putting their money under the mattress and hoping inflation didn&#039;t eat it up. And if they lacked the money to pay for an education and couldn&#039;t get a job that pays better than minimum wage -- and had no savings for retirement -- and ended up wandering the streets, homeless, diseased, on the verge of collapse -- well that&#039;s just how it goes sometimes in libertarian-land. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How revolting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarians would eliminate Social Security and Medicare, and that would result in millions of our elderly wandering the streets, homeless, diseased, on the verge of collapse, begging for a few dollars to survive another day. The way Libertarians see it, it isn&#8217;t the government&#8217;s job to provide food, shelter and medical care for these people &#8212; it&#8217;s their responsibility to provide for their own retirement by saving their money. Of course, libertarians also hate government regulation &#8212; which means in a libertarian world people couldn&#8217;t save their money by investing in an unreliable, unregulated stock market or unreliable banks; instead, people who have to save for their retirement by putting their money under the mattress and hoping inflation didn&#8217;t eat it up. And if they lacked the money to pay for an education and couldn&#8217;t get a job that pays better than minimum wage &#8212; and had no savings for retirement &#8212; and ended up wandering the streets, homeless, diseased, on the verge of collapse &#8212; well that&#8217;s just how it goes sometimes in libertarian-land. </p>
<p>How revolting.</p>
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