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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.historyishappeningnow.com/2008/10/11/capital-control/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian: My point was what Lee said, back in March or so people thought if &quot;we&quot; allowed Fannie and Freddie to buy subprime mortgages it would solve the prices. Now, if you think about it, that&#039;s not too different from Paulson&#039;s first plan about  buying toxic assets from banks.

A problem is that, as you two state, that every report and theory must be categorized by the media as either &quot;left&quot; or &quot;right&quot; when the right division is &quot;right&quot; and &quot;wrong.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian: My point was what Lee said, back in March or so people thought if &#8220;we&#8221; allowed Fannie and Freddie to buy subprime mortgages it would solve the prices. Now, if you think about it, that&#8217;s not too different from Paulson&#8217;s first plan about  buying toxic assets from banks.</p>
<p>A problem is that, as you two state, that every report and theory must be categorized by the media as either &#8220;left&#8221; or &#8220;right&#8221; when the right division is &#8220;right&#8221; and &#8220;wrong.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.historyishappeningnow.com/2008/10/11/capital-control/comment-page-1/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree -- the left should get credit for being correct about this; and obviously I tend to think that the left is systematically correct on a number of economic and foreign policy issues, otherwise I wouldn&#039;t have the politics I do.   But what the left should get credit for, in this case, is accepting the facts and basing their political convictions on the facts.

My only point is that these economic facts are agreed on by people who might not necessarily consider themselves &quot;on the left&quot; but rather just investigators -- scientists, academics -- without a particular developed political philosophy.  I think a lot of climate scientists were unprepared for how political the content of their research would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8212; the left should get credit for being correct about this; and obviously I tend to think that the left is systematically correct on a number of economic and foreign policy issues, otherwise I wouldn&#8217;t have the politics I do.   But what the left should get credit for, in this case, is accepting the facts and basing their political convictions on the facts.</p>
<p>My only point is that these economic facts are agreed on by people who might not necessarily consider themselves &#8220;on the left&#8221; but rather just investigators &#8212; scientists, academics &#8212; without a particular developed political philosophy.  I think a lot of climate scientists were unprepared for how political the content of their research would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.historyishappeningnow.com/2008/10/11/capital-control/comment-page-1/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say it&#039;s not fair to the left wing to deny that the argument that global warming exists is a left-wing argument. By the criteria you set down, it sounds like an argument is only properly called &quot;left wing&quot; when it turns out to be false. The fact that pretty much all credible economists you&#039;ve heard speak support a left-wing viewpoint is no reason to stop calling it left-wing -- it&#039;s a reason to start crediting the left with being right about a major issue.

But this is just semantics. I agree with your basic point that these arguments don&#039;t reflect a left-wing bias -- any scientist who honestly studies the issue of global warming will end up siding with those &quot;on the left&quot; because that&#039;s where science leads them, regardless of their political leanings otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say it&#8217;s not fair to the left wing to deny that the argument that global warming exists is a left-wing argument. By the criteria you set down, it sounds like an argument is only properly called &#8220;left wing&#8221; when it turns out to be false. The fact that pretty much all credible economists you&#8217;ve heard speak support a left-wing viewpoint is no reason to stop calling it left-wing &#8212; it&#8217;s a reason to start crediting the left with being right about a major issue.</p>
<p>But this is just semantics. I agree with your basic point that these arguments don&#8217;t reflect a left-wing bias &#8212; any scientist who honestly studies the issue of global warming will end up siding with those &#8220;on the left&#8221; because that&#8217;s where science leads them, regardless of their political leanings otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.historyishappeningnow.com/2008/10/11/capital-control/comment-page-1/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What John seems to be saying is that Fannie and Freddie were considered to be vehicle through which to save the market -- further support for the argument of my post.

A note too:  the narrative that the private unregulated market is responsible for the crisis isn&#039;t a left-wing narrative per se, any more than the claim that global warming exists is inherently left wing.  It&#039;s the narrative of pretty much all credible economists I&#039;ve heard speak on the matter.  It&#039;s just what the facts happen to be.

Only the WSJ opinion page seems to have  contrary opinion, but its bias is well known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What John seems to be saying is that Fannie and Freddie were considered to be vehicle through which to save the market &#8212; further support for the argument of my post.</p>
<p>A note too:  the narrative that the private unregulated market is responsible for the crisis isn&#8217;t a left-wing narrative per se, any more than the claim that global warming exists is inherently left wing.  It&#8217;s the narrative of pretty much all credible economists I&#8217;ve heard speak on the matter.  It&#8217;s just what the facts happen to be.</p>
<p>Only the WSJ opinion page seems to have  contrary opinion, but its bias is well known.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.historyishappeningnow.com/2008/10/11/capital-control/comment-page-1/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: I don&#039;t understand your comment above as well as I would like. Did Fannie and Freddie end up purchasing subprime mortgages, thereby contributing to this problem?

Thanks to Lee for finding some statistics and facts to help me make sense of this stuff.

The right-wingers are saying this whole financial crisis erupted because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were encouraged by the government to give risky loans to people who clearly couldn&#039;t pay them back.

The left-wingers are saying the crisis erupted because private lenders issued risky mortgages to people who couldn&#039;t pay them back, not because of any government involvement but because they hoped to make a quick buck on commission and figured the housing bubble would never burst, thereby protecting their investment.

The right-wing story calls for less government involvement in the markets, and the left-wing story calls for more involvement in the way of regulation to protect against irresponsible lending/borrowing.

If only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was subject to this government &quot;encouragement,&quot; then isn&#039;t it obvious that the left-wing story is basically correct and the right-wing story is basically misleading?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: I don&#8217;t understand your comment above as well as I would like. Did Fannie and Freddie end up purchasing subprime mortgages, thereby contributing to this problem?</p>
<p>Thanks to Lee for finding some statistics and facts to help me make sense of this stuff.</p>
<p>The right-wingers are saying this whole financial crisis erupted because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were encouraged by the government to give risky loans to people who clearly couldn&#8217;t pay them back.</p>
<p>The left-wingers are saying the crisis erupted because private lenders issued risky mortgages to people who couldn&#8217;t pay them back, not because of any government involvement but because they hoped to make a quick buck on commission and figured the housing bubble would never burst, thereby protecting their investment.</p>
<p>The right-wing story calls for less government involvement in the markets, and the left-wing story calls for more involvement in the way of regulation to protect against irresponsible lending/borrowing.</p>
<p>If only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was subject to this government &#8220;encouragement,&#8221; then isn&#8217;t it obvious that the left-wing story is basically correct and the right-wing story is basically misleading?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.historyishappeningnow.com/2008/10/11/capital-control/comment-page-1/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is conveniently not mentioned by these commentators that back in the first half of 2008 Fannie and Freddie were considered a possible rescue by allowing them to purchase subprime mortgages.

To me a problem is that as much as people want to have their voices heard, there is not enough time to collect the feedback with these decision need to be made. The new Congress takes office on Jan 3 and the new President on Jan 20 but by then it may be too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is conveniently not mentioned by these commentators that back in the first half of 2008 Fannie and Freddie were considered a possible rescue by allowing them to purchase subprime mortgages.</p>
<p>To me a problem is that as much as people want to have their voices heard, there is not enough time to collect the feedback with these decision need to be made. The new Congress takes office on Jan 3 and the new President on Jan 20 but by then it may be too late.</p>
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